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10 March 2009 @ 08:46 am
Those Stroke Adverts  
I don't know about you, but I'm sickened by those stroke advertisements where someone's forehead bursts into fire and half of their face sags.

When I see the first few seconds of the advert, I turn off and watch something else. And if I can't seem to change channels, I've been known to turn off the television altogether.

If more people switched off, programmes would lose revenues and the programmers would have to drop those objectionable advertisements altogether.

It's not like I have to sympathise with the "victims" on the screen, because I only see them as actors enhanced with some disturbing CGI.

I know the advert says you should think fast. But people have acted quickly, and it's still not been enough to save their loved ones sometimes. So ads like this should not try and give people false hopes either.
 
 
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Catpain Blackuddercharlycrash on March 10th, 2009 09:15 am (UTC)
I don't know the ads you're talking about but I'd imagine they're funded by the government, and that being so there may be a legal requirement to have them on TV.

If viewing figures for certain programs drop, advertisers put their ads on different programs.
DanGdan_g on March 10th, 2009 09:18 am (UTC)
Not really sure if you got the point?
You do realise that the particular advert you are complaining about is not actually about 'revenue' as its a public service broadcast. thats right, they ALREADY have your money, you paid in Tax.

No wait, you wouldn't be aware of that as you never watch it.

So what your saying is that you personally dont like the advert and so the issue is one that you dont feel needs to be raised. But if they came up with a public service advert that didn't disaapoint you it would be OK?

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forthwrittenforthwritten on March 10th, 2009 09:27 am (UTC)
I think you've missed the point of those public service broadcasts.
fiat_knoxfiat_knox on March 10th, 2009 02:19 pm (UTC)
The government cramming yet another scare story down people's throats? "Be scared of this, be scared of that, be too scared to actually go out there and live your life"?

I get the point. If it wasn't stroke awareness, it'd be speeding on the roads, eating too much salt, not eating vegetables and not exercising. In the end, blunt force trauma announcements reach saturation point, and then the brain just switches off the emotions and puts in the ignore filter instead.

It's a heavy handed, ham fisted sledgehammer approach to the topic of stroke awareness. Just like everything this government does. The horse is dead already. Stop flogging it.
igotahalo on March 10th, 2009 09:50 am (UTC)
i think it's a good thing - you've clearly watched it enough to be able to see the signs. i don't know if you knew what you were looking for before or not, but there'll be someone out there who has been educated.
last year my mum had a brain tumour that hit a nerve that made her face sag on one side. we had no idea what it could have been, didn't even think that it could have possibly been a stroke, no idea at all. it wasn't until we took my mum to hospital that they said it could be a stroke, at minimuml bells palsy, and it actually turned out to be a brain tumour.
i feel slightly relieved that the government are letting people know what they need to be looking out for. Even if it's too late, it would be recognised, but it would be no one's fault.
I think you should be less pessimistic about these adverts, and more sympathetic to the messages they're trying to broadcast.
fiat_knoxfiat_knox on March 10th, 2009 02:22 pm (UTC)
But what if you already knew the signs, because it had happened to you and yours? Watching it happen to someone on the screen's only going to make a person relive the trauma of when it happened to them or their loved ones.
fiat_knoxfiat_knox on March 10th, 2009 02:28 pm (UTC)
And another thing ... I already knew the signs, because two years ago someone took me to one side and told me. It was something I never forgot, because strokes are a worry in my family already - so I've never watched the ad to the end, because I've never needed to.

It's the heavy handedness of the advert that detracts from the point of it. Strip away the message it's trying to convey, try and imagine the advert as being for something pointless like not paying your taxes or not watching enough ITV, and you'll see how hamfisted the ad is. It's a blunt instrument approach, and it is a poorly-made advert whichever way you look at it.
Idle handsgreebo on March 10th, 2009 10:00 am (UTC)
if you want an advert to bitch about try this one






sexism at its best
helenprevhelenprev on March 10th, 2009 10:11 am (UTC)
ARGH! What a horrendous advert! Thank you for soiling my brain with that this morning. ;-)
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slw2004: inappropriate slumber partiesslw2004 on March 10th, 2009 11:49 am (UTC)
That was.... *blinks*... OK. I'm going away now.
Perfidious Albionmatttt on March 10th, 2009 11:42 pm (UTC)
I disagree. It's still too hard for us poor little men.

That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!
slw2004: drollslw2004 on March 10th, 2009 11:45 am (UTC)
What you'd prefer people to sit there uninformed and do nothing? You think the guilt afterwards- "perhaps if I had just known"- would be less horrible than "well I tried my best and it didn't work but at least I tried"?

Grief, losing someone, is horrible whatever happens. Do you want it compounded by ignorance and guilt or without? And what if the ads do lead to someone not dying? Would you prefer that they died just so you didn't have to see the adverts and so a few people wouldn't have their hopes dashed? How selfish are you?
Blue_Catblue_cat on March 10th, 2009 01:03 pm (UTC)
Sorry that you find these hit a nerve. I frankly find the NSPCC ones horrible but know I am at least giving them money.

Sadly there are far too many people that have no idea about the symptoms of stroke and while these may not save everyone if they can help a few then they are well worth while by getting people to not DELAY seeking help, which is the critical issue. The faster someone acts the better chance the victim has.
Benbenicek on March 10th, 2009 01:53 pm (UTC)
They are a bad idea I think. The money would be better spent campaigning to improve long term care for stroke victims.
XIV_Geminaxiv_gemina on March 10th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC)
The WHOLE POINT of the adverts is that we NEED people to act FAST if we see someone having a Stroke - in order to minimise the brain damage that the Stroke victim suffers.

This will SAVE YOU MONEY in taxes - because PREVENTION is much BETTER and much, much CHEAPER than Cure.

If you act FAST, the patient will not NEED 'Long-term care', only Short-term care.
Neth: FS Aeryn incredilousneth_dugan on March 10th, 2009 01:54 pm (UTC)
You're serious aren't you?


Yes, lets all run away from an advert that tries to convey just what a stroke is and how to spot it so the public can learn from it and, y'know, increase the chances that you could spot and help a person having a stroke.

It's not like that's worth anything, it's rubbish! It's not pretty and happy and butterflies with cake so run away!
fiat_knoxfiat_knox on March 10th, 2009 02:50 pm (UTC)
The point of the advert is to deliver a short, sharp shock to raise awareness of Something.

It could have been cancer, or rabies, or some threat. The fact that it was stroke awareness is irrelevant.

If you think of the message as being a payload, and the advert as the missile system that deliver it, you might see as I do, that the advert is a crude, heavy bludgeon for something that requires awareness, not fear - and the primary result of that advert is to scare people, not to increase awareness.

This ad comes from the same school that gave us the heroin "I can handle it" and "AIDS - DON'T DIE OF IGNORANCE" ads, and of course those patronising nanny state ads with all those Morph ripoffs running around being unhealthy.

Would you consider an advert showing people getting attacked in the street to be a valid way of raising awareness of the presence of street violence in society? No, because we're already aware. Just as people are already aware that people can die, right in front of them.

So no, I'm not running away from the problem. I'm just separating out the message from the blunt instrument that is the advert, and I'm complaining about how it's a poorly-judged method of getting its point across. It considers you and me to ignorant and slow, just because we are "the general public."

And I don't know about anyone else here, but I know when I'm being patronised, and I don't like it one bit.
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Blow An Artery; Eat Plastic Surgery.throwingpunches on March 10th, 2009 04:30 pm (UTC)
I hate these adverts. They creep me out and scare me unnecessarily.
fiat_knoxfiat_knox on March 10th, 2009 04:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you for sharing this with me. This is exactly how I feel.

They could have chosen better ways of getting their point across.
Nathaniel Wolfthorn: wtf?ganimede on March 10th, 2009 04:31 pm (UTC)
I hate that advert. My grandmother died after a stroke and I really don't want to see her final moments replayed on my television while I'm in the middle of watching The Simpsons. It's really triggering for me and my family.
fiat_knoxfiat_knox on March 10th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry about that, and sorry too for your loss. Thanks for sharing this with me.

I've made my point in any case. So I can stand down now. You take good care.
XIV_Geminaxiv_gemina on March 10th, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
And the point of the advert is to make people recognise the symptoms of the hideous event that your Grandmother suffered.

More public awareness = less needless suffering.

Having a 'talking head' in a studio setting pontificating away in order that no-one suffers offence just *won't* get the message to stick in with anything like the same degree of effectiveness.
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Perfidious Albionmatttt on March 10th, 2009 11:45 pm (UTC)
I think it's an excellent advert and conveys its message very effectively. I for one knew nothing about strokes before I saw it; now, I like to think I'd know enough to perhaps make a difference.

Anyway, I'm going for a poo at Paul's.
Idle handsgreebo on March 11th, 2009 10:39 am (UTC)
you leave my toilet alone!
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