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07 October 2010 @ 12:40 pm
From the Daily Mail  
UK leads the industrialized world in violent crime. Ya'll need to stop selling knives or something...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html



Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.


Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.
The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.
In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.
The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
In the UK The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.
 
 
 
the adventures of Christine: Wesleycdaae on October 7th, 2010 04:54 pm (UTC)
You believe what you read in the Daily Mail?

The method of crime reporting here has been changed significantly in recent years. If there's a pub fight, involving a number of different offenses (carrying a knife, assault, etc), it used to be counted as one crime. Now the official figures report it as a number of separate offenses. This makes the crime figures seem to have leapt to a degree which does not reflect reality.

The British Crime Survey is unaffected by changes in reporting methods, and also includes crimes which aren't reported to the police, making it a much better source.

"Since peaking in 1995, BCS [British Crime Survey-measured] crime has fallen by 44 per cent, representing 8.4 million fewer crimes, with domestic burglary and vehicle crime falling by over a half (59% and 60% respectively) and violent crime falling by 43 per cent during this period. On the recorded crime side, both domestic burglary and theft of and from vehicles have continued to fall over the same period." (Crime in England and Wales: Quarterly Update)

The media frequently distorts the real figures. See many examples, with statistics and references: http://www.mediahell.org/crimeheadlines.htm
Marksunnydays4me on October 7th, 2010 08:29 pm (UTC)
The media frequently distorts the real figures. See many examples, with statistics and references:

The latest reference in that (assuming the goverment is being truthful) is over three years old.
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the adventures of Christinecdaae on October 7th, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
One also can't help wondering about the countries they left out (such as most of Europe, and the USA); and I am not amazed that their leading source, listed on the edge, is the Conservatives. No mention of the British Crime Survey for the UK figures!
Յուրա Հակոբովyurri on October 7th, 2010 05:05 pm (UTC)
Knives don't stab, people do.
Marksunnydays4me on October 7th, 2010 08:17 pm (UTC)
Knives don't stab, people do.

lol, amen!
Kortirion: Teakortirion on October 7th, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
Statistics, statistics and damned lies! It's more to do with the way figures are collated than fact.

A little while ago I had a friend visit from South Africa for the first time in 20+ years, and she was genuinely upset to be sitting in my living room, facing an open patio door onto the garden. She said she kept expecting thieves with guns or machetes to walk in - which is what would have happened in Johannesburg.

When the govt issue instructions as to what to do when confronted by armed robbers in your home - which the South African govt do - then we should be worried!
Marksunnydays4me on October 7th, 2010 08:25 pm (UTC)
You have instructions in the UK
When the govt issue instructions as to what to do when confronted by armed robbers in your home - which the South African govt do - then we should be worried!


http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html

In the USA the only instructions we have is to blow their ass away.
MsWildthymeyuxonomei on October 7th, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
Oh. Okay, then.
DCradiantsoul on October 7th, 2010 06:19 pm (UTC)
I had almost forgot this community existed
Trialiatrialia on October 7th, 2010 08:42 pm (UTC)
...So apparently the US isn't an industrialised nation? :P

Seriously, don't believe what you read in the Daily Fail.
Marksunnydays4me on October 7th, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
So apparently the US isn't an industrialised nation? :P

If you read the whole thing the USA and South Africa are both addressed in there.
Debparanoiaclub on October 7th, 2010 09:32 pm (UTC)
I'd guess that its something to do with the way crime figures are reported (as someone states up there). I also find it very strange that Austria, Sweden and Belgium are so high up the list, they don't seem like your stereotypical violent crime hotspots!
Marksunnydays4me on October 7th, 2010 10:40 pm (UTC)
I tend to agree with you. It does seem odd.
not gay as in happy but queer as in fuck youmonvenin on October 8th, 2010 02:32 am (UTC)
The Daily Mail isn't generally famed for fact-filled articles, so I wouldn't tie knots in your handkerchief about it.
_illumina__illumina_ on October 8th, 2010 07:54 am (UTC)
The raison d'etre of the Daily Mail is to make people scared and angry. I think they succeeded here...
Marksunnydays4me on October 8th, 2010 06:35 pm (UTC)
Maybe they did succeed here. But there are 2 relevant factsbacking them up.
1-Crime in the UK is up.
2-People with murderous intent who can't get guns are resorting to kives. That kinda proves my point that gun bans only affect law abiding people.
MIO, anyone who can pass a background check should at minimum be able to have a handgun or shotgun to protect their family.
More than law, this is a basic human riht.
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