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05 February 2011 @ 01:38 pm
Multiculturalism policies in Britain a failure, says PM David Cameron  

PRIME Minister David Cameron has condemned Britain's long-standing policy of multiculturalism as a failure, calling for better integration of young Muslims to combat home-grown extremism.

In a speech to the Munich Security Conference, Mr Cameron signalled a marked change in policy towards Britain's ethnic and religious minorities, saying the "hands-off tolerance" of those who reject Western values has failed.

He urged a "more active, muscular liberalism" where equal rights, the rule of law, freedom of speech and democracy are actively promoted to create a stronger national identity.

"If we are to defeat this threat, I believe it's time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past," he said.

It was Mr Cameron's first major speech on Islamist extremism, an issue of major concern for British governments ever since four home-grown suicide bombers attacked the London transport system in 2005, killing 52 people.

The Prime Minister, who took power last May, argued that "under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream".

He said this had resulted in a lack of national identity in Britain which had made some young Muslims turn to extremist ideology.

"Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," Mr Cameron said.

"A passively tolerant society says to its citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone. It stands neutral between different values.

"A genuinely liberal country does much more. It believes in certain values and actively promotes them.... It says to its citizens: this is what defines us as a society."

Mr Cameron clearly distinguished between Islam the religion and the political ideology of Islamist extremism, saying they "are not the same thing".

But he argued that non-violent organisations which present themselves as a gateway to the Muslim community but are ambiguous on Western values should no longer receive state funding, and should be banned from university campuses.

His speech echoed controversial remarks made by German Chancellor Angela Merkel last year, when she also called multiculturalism a failure, saying Germany had not devoted enough attention to the integration of immigrants.

"What I mean to say is that for years, for decades, the approach was that integration was not something that needed to be addressed, that people would live side-by-side and that it would sort itself out," Ms Merkel said in November.

"This turned out to be false."
fiat_knoxfiat_knox on February 5th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
"Muscular liberalism"
What the fuck does this ranting tosspot think he means? "Muscular liberalism" sounds like Newspeak to me, some stupid phrase he threw out and hope to hell he can figure out what to put behind those empty words later.

And what the hell does he think he can do about it anyway, h'mm? Go around the country with tubs of whitewash to paint all those inconvenient brown and black faces white?

Fuck Cameron up the arse with a spiked shillelagh on fire. And fuck the Tories with their upper class out-of-touch-with-the-real-world closet bigotry.
Marksunnydays4me on February 5th, 2011 08:03 pm (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
Tosspot...lolol, I love it!

My interpretation was that he thought having multiple cultures co-existing wan not functional, and he thinks it's better to try to assimilate those different cultures into mainstream Britian.

Perhaps what he said is not as apparent as to WHY he said it.
eleanoreleanorb on February 6th, 2011 05:30 am (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
Why he said it was obviously to appeal to the disaffected far right in his party. But it's pretty much backfired since the only support he's had is from the loathsome EDL and the equally fucked up Daily Mail. But then the Upper Classes have always been the ones to abandon the traditional English characteristics or tolerance and fair play. I'm sure he'd still love an Empire so he could ship all those non-conforming coloured people to - not the white immigrants of course, however 'different' their culture may be to the base culture.

The man's an arse and we shouldn't encourage him.
Marksunnydays4me on February 6th, 2011 11:36 am (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
My interpretation is that he has the same problem that we have over here....Islam has become a threat to very lives and saftey of our nation as a whole, and he's right. No amount of political correctness is going to hide all the bodies that Islamic people have killed. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

We let them immigrate to our country to seek a better lefe, some of them have thanked us by killing us and many of them have condoned it.

What do we NOT hear? We do not hear an outrage on the part of Islamic People and clerics about it.

War is coming,I've no doubt. It is coming be it to defend against terroism, oil, or oil cloaked in a threat of terrorism.
eleanoreleanorb on February 6th, 2011 02:08 pm (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
Personally, I think you are very wrong in your analysis. Believers in the Muslims faith as a whole are no more likely to be a threat in the UK than any other group. It is minority extremists, be they Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, Animal Rights Extremists etc. that are the only threat.

I grew up in a UK city where there has been a Muslim presence for 200 years. I live in a multicultural area and my friends come from all religions and (most of them to be honest) none. I have never felt a threat from any average normal Brit of any skin colour or belief system. I have felt the threat to normal life from extremists of the right and far right who see liberalism and toleration as a threat to their nasty little bigoted lives. And unlike you I have seen and heard condemnation of so called Muslim extremists from within the Islamic community - without the co-operation of people in this group the police and security services wouldn't have the insider information to stop the plots in their tracks.

Read a little about the history of immigration in Britain and you will see this right wing rallying call of being 'overrun with immigrants' has been a theme for at least 1000 years and has always proved to be groundless in the long run as groups assimilate and become British. Of course what being British is changes and has always changed and most of us welcome that.

I'm trying very hard to be rational and calm in response to your postings but given the nonsense you're spouting on a UK community without living here I suspect you're a right wing troll rather than trying someone to understand anything about the UK.

Edited at 2011-02-06 11:09 pm (UTC)
Marksunnydays4me on February 7th, 2011 02:36 pm (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
I'm not a toll, I post here all the time since none of you ever do.

The pile of bodies that are created in the name of Islam is starting to stack up and as I said....where is the outcry from Muslims and clerics? There is none.

Rather than trying to understand The UK in this particular post, I am likening the USA to it. We have the same problem.

I don't see all these acts of terrorism from Christians, Bhuddists, or Pagans. They're all from Islamists. If I cannot say that without critisism then it's time to redefine political correctsness and reclassify it to censorship of fact.
eleanoreleanorb on February 8th, 2011 01:35 pm (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
where is the outcry from Muslims and clerics? There is none.

There is loads. Now maybe your media, for its own reasons, doesn't report it but if you lived in the UK you'd see both religious and secular muslims condemn extremism every day, especially if you work with people who either follow or have parents or grandparents who follow that religion)

We have the same problem.

You may have a problem. We have issues that need to and are being addressed. The situation in the two countries cannot be compared in any meaningful way.

Really, if you haven't seen acts of terrorism from extremist groups of other religions, and none, over your lifetime then you must be very young or really not paying attention. In my lifetime I have seen terrorism from all the groups you mentioned (IRA, Sinhala and Nordic pagans for instance)and many others. I have been directly affected by terrorist atrocities on two occasions (neither of them muslim).

I'm certainly not a Muslim apologist - I'm an atheist who would prefer the British trait of all religions being private, personal and not something which affects public life - however I do not believe the acts of a few extremists are any more or less of a threat to British culture or our reasonably successful multicultural society than any other minority extremists ove the past 1000 years.

Edited at 2011-02-08 04:38 pm (UTC)
Marksunnydays4me on February 8th, 2011 01:58 pm (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
be they Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, Animal Rights Extremists etc. that are the only threat.

But they are not Protestant, Catholic, Animal Rights Extremists etc. They're Muslims. EVERY time we see an act of terrorism, or attempted terrorism, it's Muslims.
It doesen't take a rocket scientist to see there will be war, and it will be Muslims against anyone that doesen't subscribe to their religion.

Even if there is not a war over terrorism, it will be over oil. It takes oil to run the world and feed our populations. Turning off oil would be like one country having all the water, then refusing to sell any of it.

Marksunnydays4me on February 8th, 2011 02:00 pm (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
given the nonsense you're spouting on a UK community without living here I suspect you're a right wing troll

I'm not a "troll". I'm simply trying to establish a talking point since you NEVER post anything. If that's a troll then you should be thankful for me.
eleanoreleanorb on February 9th, 2011 07:09 am (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
trying to establish a talking point since you NEVER post anything

So you go round all the abandonned communities in lj randomly adding comments?
Marksunnydays4me on February 9th, 2011 12:04 pm (UTC)
Re: "Muscular liberalism"
Not all of them but some.